She also will never get to see them get married. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? It makes me sick. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Search it out and check for yourself. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. Wheres the evidence that Patty was obsessed with Andy? Patricia Kopta, Pittsburgh street preacher missing since 1992, found alive in Puerto Rico A woman who was missing for more than 30 years has been found alive and at Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Some people are just monsters. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. Look into it. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Stop it.. She is the one who tricked them, first by Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. He was sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. "I want to apologize personally for the fact that my husband wasn't a strong enough human being to admit his wrongs and be able to take his rightful punishment willingly," she said. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. Patricia is a evil monster. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Whats worse is that shes innocent. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Jealousy was the motive. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Its never been made clear. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. She won't see them graduate from college. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. He tried to claim someone else murdered them and that the night his daughters were killed someone was following them. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. It was just assumed to be crib death. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Flaw in reasoning. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. "This was not a sudden or impetuous act on your part. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. Yaser Said's ex-wife Patricia Owens gives victim statement after guilty verdict Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Deal refused. Help, the younger sister could be heard crying on a 911 recording. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Walmart woe. Justice is about uncovering the truth. What a contrived case! Its true that women were more idiots than about men, they had the impression that if they caught a fool to take them as wives, they would settle for life, even today we see that but more diluted, still an exaggerated reason for murder. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours from Riverside to Los Angeles and sit in court all day, Patricia said. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Lie detectors are pseudo science. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. However, Said never called 911. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Why? As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Still, no good leads materialized. There are innocent people in prison. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? 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Read the crime and public safety news your neighbors are talking about. She was the one that left Andy! Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. The defense also criticized Irving Police and federal investigators, claiming they did not properly investigate the case or look for other suspects. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Larry Wrights sentence was reduced to only two years in prison with five years of parole. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? The womans whereabouts were relayed to law enforcement in Ross Township last year, Deputy Chief Brian Kohlhepp said. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? It has very bad energy. In TV clips, Andrew didnt come off as anguished. Youll have to make do with what you see here. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Unbloody vehicle. (We didnt get into the specifics.). And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. WoW! "Yaser Said, you're a devil. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. They are total bs. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. They broke up in 1993. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. I very much doubt you are. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. (A good point. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. Yaser Said was arrested Aug. 26 after authorities searched the Justin home. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". Thanks for contacting us. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. None. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. Nine. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Highly charged case. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. And she called 911. "You can keep those evil eyes glaring just glare away because this is going to be the last time that you see me.". Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Emailus. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. All rights reserved. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? I really never thought of it again.. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. Trash-talking ex. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Ms. And Patricia wasnt all edges. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. The Dallas Morning News revealed that Patricia said, "All I can say is there's going to be justice," after waiting for 12 years of pain of losing her children. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge?